I get the feeling it might be up and down through some sources but would him transforming make him stronger. Because of the way they acted when they went to Earth. Exactly how much stronger is uncertain however. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. Edit: Actually, probably around ssj Goku's level if not a little stronger. Go. The Daizenshuu indicates that Freeza was the stronger of the two. 0. May 1, 2017 16:03:59 GMT. Freeza is the strongest. the opening of the broly movie shows him retiring and placing frieza directly in charge of the frieza force, so he was really only a king in name as frieza held the command, we don't actually know what cold was up to between that point and nameks destruction. Frieza never killed his father, because he still respected him. Freeza is undoubtedly stronger than Cold. 3 years ago. King Cold (コルド大王, Korudo Daiō) is the father of both Frieza and Cooler, and the clandestine leader of the Planet Trade Organization. This topic is about the strength of King Cold, Mecha-Frieza, Trunks, and Goku. Lord_of_BeefDip 8 years ago #31. I got the sense that Freeza had respect for him in just the fact Cold was his father. Cold was the head of their family's organization only until Freeza came into the picture, after which he stepped into the shadows. He is stated by himself and in a guide El Manga Legendario to be stronger than he was on Namek. Canonically, he wanted to retire and passed it down to his son, so whether he was stronger or not would be irrelevant anyways. We all know that King Cold was stronger than the suppressed Mecha-Frieza, but all evidence points toward King Cold being vastly superior to even 100% Frieza. I even called him "daddy", showing a certain respect! The only reason why he got involved was that his son was in danger on Namek, and he intended to help aid him, which led to him going to Earth alongside Frieza … This clearly establishes that "they" (or just Cold as revealed later by Toriyama) were powerful in their own right way before we get that bit of dialogue commenting on Cold's power at the beginning of the Artificial Humans arc. So I was wondering who really is the strongest out of the two. He retired from the day to day operations of his Empire and handed it over to Frieza, where it was renamed the Frieza Force. That’s why Frieza was made leader of the force when he was so young. It works like this: Frieza (Dragon Ball Super) > Cooler > Frieza (Dragon Ball Z). I'll tell you why: because the existence of King Cold is RETCON. Don't remember where I read this but Freeza has an additional form is in order to further suppress his overwhelming power or somethin like that. Mecha Frieza vs King cold - Page 13. Also note that Cold's existence isn't really a retcon, Freeza mentions his "parents" before Cold ever appears. The fact that Frieza, one of the most tyrannical characters, actually obeys King Cold is very telling. Cooler stated literally that Frieza was stronger than him until he used his fifth form. King Cold possess horns that have lines on them.At the time when his role as emperor of the Cold … 1 of 2 Go to page. He was caught completely off guard. Frieza was surpressed when they said cold was stronger but frieza is actually stronger. King Cold is Stronger than Frieza The (Viz) manga does not contain the majority of these statements (as some come from filler scenes), but it does not contradict them either. Frieza is superior to Cooler in every form, unless Cooler uses his final form. In an official guide, it was shown that as soon as Freeza was born, he already had a power that surpassed that of his father. That’s not true, since every official source says that Freeza is stronger than his father. I see no reason for Freeza to keep his father alive other than the fact that maybe he WAS stronger than Freeza? Cooler’s strength is interesting. Cold himself said that frieza was even more cold-hearted then himself. I mean look at Super, he didnt bring his father back because he didnt want Cold around anymore, something that was probably always in his mind but could execute it just yet? A discussion-dedicated Dragon Ball subreddit. So Frieza is stronger. Which made Yamcha sense that King Cold was stronger, however, Gohan literally states what they are sensing is just the tip of Freeza's strength. His physical appearance is very similar to his sons', looking nearly identical to Frieza in his second form. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! How Strong REALLY is King Cold in Dragon Ball Z? Cold isnt stronger. King Cold is weaker than his son, and the Super Broly movie pretty much explains why he was no longer running the show. Appearance, Personality, and Abilities File:180px-ColdKingCold.png King Cold ranks among the tallest villains in the Dragon Ball universe, and his physical appearance is very similar to his sons, looking nearly identical to Frieza's second form. Trucks made both of them an absolute joke and their power was never touched on in any official capacity and his ability to transform or not is purely speculation. Mecha Freeza had suppressed his power and King Cold did not when arriving on Earth. Stronger than Yamcha, weaker than Goku. I think there's a difference between just not bothering to bring him back and wanting to kill him. King Cold IS /suppose/ to be the strongest. The story only provides this information for Frieza, who himself said he couldn't control it, and supplementary material provides that the two were born powerful alone. King Cold's height is inconsistent, at his smallest his height is similar to to that of second form Frieza, while at his largest King Cold ranks among the tallest villains in the Dragon Ball universe - with Mecha Frieza only reaching his knee. His skin is darker than Frieza but lighter than Cooler's. Seems like a really minor thing to rant about. I doubt Freeza cared about having an official title like "King" or whatever. Join Community. Cold likely retired to some planet somewhere and chilled while Frieza ran the Empire. [Normally] but as you know, DBZ has many hole in their story. The Daizenshuu indicates that … Mecha Frieza has had a tough power to gauge here. Did Trunks vs King Cold in Dragon Ball Z prove anything? That's why I say it can't be anything other than a retcon. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. it's also possible frieza despite being stronger couldn't kill him easily, as frieza struggled in his final and full power forms with energy and stamina which is why he spent most of his time in a suppressed state, his father shows no signs of using transformations so it's possible he's a bit weaker than full power frieza but more in control of his power. I just cant see Freeza having any loyalty. Give Gift; Back to Top; Post by Griffith on May 1, 2017 16:03:59 GMT. Why be a King when you can be the Emperor? Cold likely retired to some planet somewhere and chilled while Frieza ran the Empire. Frieza is supposed to be a type of guy that no one can touch, it just waters down his status if there's King Cold and some other members of his family who are of similar or higher power. they're both weaker than cooler. King Cold is easily the strongest member of his species. Goku loses. FACT: King Cold is stronger than Frieza and Cooler; User Info: Lord_of_BeefDip. King Cold has been stated to be stronger than both Frieza and Cooler, though the Daizenshuu states he is "somewhat inferior to Frieza," likely due to him only being in second form. It's implied that Frieza got stronger with the upgrades and that King Cold is a couple notches above his son's final form, in order to keep him in check. Furthermore, at this point, Frieza had received a boost in power from his mecha form. Cold wasn't a threat to him; he was just his retired father. King Cold gave him his position and didn't look interested in being in charge, so why would Freeza kill him? HOW did Future Goku DEFEAT King Cold and Frieza in the Future Trunks timeline of Dragon Ball Z? Frieza said he was the strongest right in front of his father and cold didn't object. Vegeta never knew who he was because King Cold retired when he was a baby, and since Frieza ran everything, there was no reason for Vegeta to know who King Cold was. We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. More importantly though, why are you so upset about it? I'm not going to argue the power dynamic between the two, but in terms of claim to the empire it's made clear that he retired and gave control of his army to Freeza. So, there is really no retcon. A couple scenes later, Vegeta says that he can sense Frieza and another energy even stronger then him. That's ridiculous. king cold because his power level is between 130,000,000-155,000,000 whlie frieza s was only 120,000,000-145,000,000 mecha frieza 150,000,000 Select Post; Deselect Post; Link to Post; Member. Cold isn't stronger than Freeza. Because he wasn't revealed til after the Frieza arc ended. besides we have no idea how strong they were in relation to each other, we know they were described as two huge power levels, so i assume he was stronger than any z fighter on earth but perhaps not on par with final form frieza. 543 Anime Fans. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. His power is such that, according to him, it is physically impossible for him to regress to the first form of … Frieza was supposed to be the most powerful being in the universe. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. The manga says they’re close in power and then Gohan says Frieza’s power gets even higher. In the series, Frieza says that he is strongest in the universe. We all know what the Viz Manga says and it's generally regarded as the There is a common belief (I know its not canon feat) that King Cold could transform like Frieza. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Freeza is first allowed by Vegeta to transform, and then he transformed the next two times just as an excessive show of power. it's possible he was actually properly retired just sitting in a palace on a random world living the hedonist life whilst his son sated his appetite for conquest on the known universe, cold doesn't oppose frieza in anyway so there's no need to kill him. So yes, Freeza was stronger than King Cold. Vegeta was stronger than his dad so why must Cold be stronger than Freeza in your opinion? It's never been said Cold is stronger, so your complaint is meaningless outright. 2 hours ago We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. As it stands there is no direct comparison between the two other than "King Cold is also pretty strong too, bro", so there isn't much to dig up on the subject. Not only wasn't he threat, but he was a valuable ally. Cold even gave up his position as the leader of their planet-conquering organisation because Freeza was stronger and more unscrupulously evil than him. By his own account, as well as that of his son Frost, he easily outstrips both Frost and Frieza in terms of power. Is this the biggest UNSEEN FIGHT in Dragon Ball History? Quote. Why where the Androids stronger than Mecha Frieza? Goku just got back to Earth from Yardrat. Not only does he mention his "parents", but he mentions them in reference to Goku's power being strong enough to cause him to dust himself off in his true form. He was still "Freeza-sama", the unofficial emperor of the universe whose mere name struck fear into the hearts of countless mortals. Much like folks in organized crime often feel attachment to their elders. cold to frieza is like Trunks to Vegeta lol. Because he wasn't worried after Trunks killed Frieza so easily, he just seemed like laughing about it which suggested he was much stronger than Frieza. Well, after transforming into his 3rd (1st one being regular) he said something along the … Also its stated King Cold might be stronger than Frieza. Who saved him when he was half-dead, floating in space? One that fits this example; Frieza said after his transformations he cannot revert back. Freeza also mentions the existence of his parents during his fight with Goku. Well, we really don't know much about their relationship. The game Budokai Tenkaichi 3 states that "Officially, King Cold's strength is greater than Frieza or Cooler's". If King Cold was weaker, Freeza would have probably killed him and taken the official title of King. There are a few options here: 1. Probably not; I never got the impression that Mecha-Frieza was significantly stronger than he was before (if he was Gohan certainly would have said something about it). Thread starter Trollasaur; Start date Aug 8, 2013; 1; 2; Next. Cold could almost certainly transform but he wouldn't be stronger than frieza in any form Based on what material? Only the English dub of the anime says yes stronger, and that’s an incorrect translation. All official sources establish Freeza as still being the most powerful. The existence of King Cold is a RETCON because in-universe it would make more sense for Cold to be the leader since Cold is ACTUALLY the most powerful being in the universe not Frieza. According to the newest Broly movie, King Cold retired and gave control to Frieza, and remember Cooler isn't canon.. and in Future Trunks arc, I think it was established that Frieza had more latent potential but King Cold had trained more or something so he was a bit stronger, and possibly not in his final form, but just speculation. Apr 30, 2017 2:35:28 GMT Conqueror Geng said: Also, this particular screenshot (was this anime only? There's even a scene in the broly movie where as soon as frieza was old enough, he introduced him, and retired, thus turning the cold force into the frieza force. Also, the new Broly movie starts with King Cold handing power of his army over to Freeza. The only reason why he got involved was that his son was in danger on Namek, and he intended to help aid him, which led to him going to Earth alongside Frieza which resulted in his death. all you people who say Cooler is the strongest of his race followed by Frieza or vice versa are all wrong. What's the point of him being so powerful if he also has a father who is of similar or slightly higher power? Since Trunks defeated him before he could show his true power, however, one could assume that he would have won if not for his … Obviously, he still needs to be much weaker than Super Saiyan Trunks. Freeza is stronger than King Cold. He retired from the day to day operations of his Empire and handed it over to Frieza, where it was renamed the Frieza Force. Making an educated guess, I'd say King Cold did not love Frieza but did not despise him either. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. ): Yeah, that moment only ever appeared in the anime. However, there is nothing conclusive to say that King Cold is stronger. I was wondering who was truly stronger out of the two. Video games have shown King Cold to be able to use the Death Cannon and also the Death Beam. Like Frieza and Cooler, King Cold's name also refers to low temperatures. 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