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Shooting, Reading, Riding my Horses, Maintaining my Ranch, Conversing With Friends and Family, Fixing Guns, (good) Old Western Movies, CAS, guns and shooting, guitar, reading, writing, CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, THINGS THAT GO BANG! Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! I have one of these which I bought after a whole lot of looking and reading. You should have. The heavier loads are a bitch on my wrists so Ido plinking at about 20 grains. In my opinion, I don t think its enough. I still shot it without the ejector, and got pretty good at ejecting shells with a nail on a leather thong. I am sure it will do for deer. Many find that the higher loads are less accurate. hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? BLUED BARREL SHOWS SMALL AREA OF PATINA ON LEFT ADJACENT TO RECEIVER. We raise cattle, same thing. I had one and stupidly traded it for a nice 1911. Great review. I dont use grease on the cylinder. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. View more auctions here. THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. Like this guy. Not only is that the right way to hunt, deer that go down fast and clean taste better. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! If youre not lucky, then youve got a tear in your femoral artery and only a few minutes to stop the bleeding before youre introduced to Eliphalet Remington at that great gun factory in the sky. They are the Edsel of. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. with only two hands, juggle the fresh loaded cylnder onto the Arbor Pin, replace the barrel, and drive home the wedge, (Bearing in mind that ones horse might be objecting quite strenuously to all the Booms, Bangs, cracks, and the whine of Shells going past hie ears!. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. I now buy all of my replicas from one distributor EMF Company. I've thought I might make a lamp out of it one day. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . Best of all its FREE, and in abundant supply in most homes!!! View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Loved the pics too. And be sure to get the correct version of conversion. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Bluing shows some wear and 45 Caliber; 95% blue, very good bore, very good stock, 10'' barrel, Mendi .45 caliber black powder reproduction single shot pistol. Then little oil and you are set. I wasn't there. New in Box-never fired. Gauge: 44 percussion. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Johnnie Roper. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Our governor says that they can melt when shot I have a few black powder guns I have hunted with them for years and have yet seen one melt down .But the Local store here wont order one for you. Ive been thinking of getting one since I recently watched Pale Rider. One good smack on the percussion caps, and BOOM! It is a very pretty gun with a 24 octogon barrel and a case hardened receiver. When Puma started having the 92's made by them instead of Rossi in Brazil, they increased the prices but not the workmanship. They refused to talk with the others. LIGHT HIGH-EDGE WEAR NEAR MUZZLE. See 18 U.S.C. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Grips show some 36 Caliber; 90% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Navy Arms Model 1861 Navy six shot .36 caliber black powder revolver, made by Uberti. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. If yu put a comment on his page, and advocate water to clean guns, he will immediatly foam at the mouth, delete your posting, and then tear a strip off your rear end for DARING to disagree with him! In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why it broke due to stress risers from the poorly finished part). Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. See each listing for international shipping options and costs. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns ? A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. I called VTI. The patent date is 1858. Can anyone tell me a good load to start? Some, like Traditions would rather just to volume and dont seem to be very demanding of quality. Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. Western Pennsylvania, Keystone of Freedom, CAS, Fine Wood Working, Toggle Link Rifle Tuner , SA Tuner, Casting, Reloading, Firing Black Powder guns I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. I have guns I bought from them as long ago as 2001, and they are all beautiful. As for the black powder, read the manual, page 10 in mine. The greatest going away gift I ever got in my 25 years in the Army was the Uberti 1873 with my name and callsign engraved on the barrel that the guys in my battalion gave me when I left command. Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it, other than losing the ejector housing screw. All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 Army Generals, The Gentleman in charge of the War Appropriations Dept., and LOTS of High Ranking Army Officers! My first BP was a 1861 Colt Navy in .36. NRA Life, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. percussion caps are NOT standard size. I love the old cap and ball revolvers. I suggest going to the local gun shop and ask if there are any cowboy action shooters around. Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) For an 1858, the standard Remington caps will work brilliantly. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". Wow, TTAG must be monitoring my TV; this review came on here while Im watching The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. 1883 Burgess Manual. Bore in very good condition with surface corrosion, however the barrel is bulged slightly. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. I was told by the Chiappa folks, they changed the Armi Sport name to Chiappa because of this confusion. Java, from Plymouth MA. By the way; it is a pretty decent movie in the class with Quiggley Down Under.almost. 20?) I had a few ASMs in the very early days. I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH SHARP RIFLING. Not to put too fine a point on an excellent review but the Preacher killed Marshal Stockburn at the end. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. The conversion cylinders may be purchased only through an FFL, as the change makes the pistol no longer a relic as it fires readily available modern ammo. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. The .44 Remmington is a very strong gun. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. The bucks are off limits. This version features improved accuracy. The open top revolver needed some work. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. The Colt uses a "rampant" pony where the ASM is a pony just standing. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. The other great thing about the cap-and-ball revolvers is that they are not considered firearms, so you can buy all you want and have them shipped to your door. I have a spare cylinder in the LC so I can keep shooting just by swapping the cylinders. I also had 2 spare cylinders. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. So feel free to experiment. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. I considered making a set of lamps out of them but decided to give them away at 1/3 of what I paid for them. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. There are about three or four brands out there, so find the one that works best. Having an issue with my pietta 44 cal. In the interest of keeping shooters out of prison, I will wade in. The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. Used, bore is dirty, grips are worn. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. Often the outside contour dimensions will differ at the bottom of the barrel lug at the frame, but that's not a critical thing. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. The thing now runs great, and I enjoy shooting it when I do. THE LOCK IS IN THE WHITE. Great article and comments, Customer Service. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. If a conversion cylinder (to shoot black powder cowboy loads) Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. The Beals model came earlier, then the Old Model Army/Navy, and, finally, the new Model. RO11, Cowboy Mounted Shooting, Hunting and Cowboy Action Shooting, Parts are still available on a limited basis from. 1885 High Wall Manual. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. A few years ago the trigger just wore out. Actually. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored Unfortunately, ASM also changed their name to Chaparral about the same time. And thats part of the beauty of cap-and-ball revolvers; you can vary the powder charge any time you wantlight loads for plinking, and heavy loads for whatever. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH LIGHT WEAR AND A NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON THE CYLINDER. Theres something fun about putting the Glock 30 away and taking out the Peacemaker. The front sight was okay, except that it was frequently made of brass, wich when polished by the inside of a holster, tended to reflect glare into the shooters eyes, but the rear sight was a crude notch, filed roughly into the tip of the hammer! Further, any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol which is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition, is an antique firearm unless it (1) incorporates a firearm frame or receiver; (2) is a firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or (3) is a muzzle loading weapon which can be readily Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Armi San Marco and Armi Sport now Chiappa are two different companies. I saw it sitting used at a local gunshop a few years ago for $250 bucks. Rust and pitting on metal. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. My dad of course saw them when they were new. Jim, you mentioned the Ruger Old Army , 44 cal. THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. The Remington cost about 50 cents more per copy than the various Colt models, due to the top strap frame construction, and was not as widely issued. Very nice article on the 1858 Remington. They tell me that they inspect every gun they get and wont sell anything they dont think is high quality, and I believe it. You have entered an incorrect email address! Black Powder Revolver Manual. Lock needs attention, hammer won't hold., s/n 346xx. I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. THE FRAME , HAMMER AND RAMROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN APPROX 94% OF .45 Colt; 98% blue, near mint bore, very good grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. could be in your future, you would want a steel frame pistol instead of brass. Fingers on triggers, especially that Civil War vet. Still have one that is now a back up. Ive made it a long way by doing what CSMs tell me to do, so I shoot it at least once a month. New in Box-never fired. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. This may provoke howls of outrage, but whitetails with a scoped .243 or .308 is not hunting. 1873 Single Action Manual. It was Assistant District Attorney Ben Stone that shot LaHood. But always remember that the original buffal0 rifles were all black powder cartridges. Remington. I have done extensive testing of Black Powder guns and have a webpage with my collected Energy Data here: http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. Being a Cavalryman Ive always loved the 1858s, 1860s and 1873s. No. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Oh MY when I fired the first revlver chamber flash fired the shotgun too, with a full ounce of buckshot. And if you happen to have another pre-loaded cylinder with you, PRESTO! The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. Put some lube over the ball to prevent chain fire. Colt's have firing pin/recoil bushing and hardened pressed in bolt cams. Thats meat harvesting and theres nothing wrong with it. In between, he was granted US Patent No. Would barrel, cylinders, etc. February 24, 2015 in SASS Wire. The book calls for using 3Fg, on the can it will read as FFFg. About 150 ft-lbs Energy BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH GOOD RIFLING. REcoil is essentially nonexistent. Regular gun solvents cant remove the black powder salts. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. For shooting comfortable loads for target shooting I use 20g black-powder followed with 20g of Cream of Wheat then the ball and finally the lard-beeswax. Many folks have made the same mistake, though. Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve, I do know however that the 74's made by the Chiappa are, having problems. However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. Cimarron Thunderer and WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Some shot high except a .36 Army San Marco Colt 1851 Navy. He joined the union army enlisting on Staten Island New York august 22,1862.Yesterday I loaded the Remington 44 caliber with 27 grains of FFG black powder and a 44 caliber ball from midway.At 20 yards it shot a nice 3 inch group. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. 1873 Single Action Manual. Safety pins, safety notches, po-TAY-tow, po-TOT-owe. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 The problem doing that is the bolt finger like the 1st gens was really sharp and the cams on the hammers were soft. This was a very common happening in the field. If you load it with 30 grains, you get about 200 ft-lbs energy. This version features improved accuracy. FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH MODERATE WEAR, SPECKLING AND LIMITED PITTING VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. Colt .44 with 30 grain. Black powder works best when it is compressed. back for a Christmas gift for his son. I do have to give credit to ASM for the fact that most of their reproductions were historically correct. Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. Pew Poll: Gun Control Losing Steam, Money and Popularity, Gun Review: Smith & Wesson Model 317 Kit Gun .22LR Revolver, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, The 3 Most Important Handgun Shooting Stances to Learn, http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/blackpowder-revolvers/1851-1861-navy-collection/1851-navy-steel-36-5-octagonal-barrel-steel-case-hardened-frame-brass-backstrap-trigger-guard-model-002.html, Johnnie Roper (Gunslinger9378 on the 1858Remington.com Forum. LaHood was put down by the miner the Preacher had been helping using a buffalo gun at about 5 yards. Same as for buying an 1873 Colt Peacemakerjust because it was designed prior to 1899 doesnt mean that you can have it shipped to your door. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. I had to put down an estimated 350- 400 pound bear that can in my camp and got into it with my dog. Just my opinion. 1876 Rifle Manual. I went out of my tent and I could barely see but there was a big ass bear looking at me about 20 feet away. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 Barrel: 12 inch Colt .36 with 21 grains. So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL